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10:56 pm
April 3, 2011
OfflineI'm getting great keying results from Cinegob
but the preview speed is quite slow – especially with HD files which are slower than realtime
also rendering is excrutiatingly slow (hours for a 7 minute file)
I've installed Avisynth and I'm using dul core 2.66ghz processor –
should it be this slow?
Mick West
by the way this forum software is also horribly slow
12:26 am
March 16, 2011
Offlinethe preview time is slow because Cinegobs utilizes rotoscoping and therefore needs to display the image at full resolution (which is better because it's easier to rotoscope). also it's slow because your computer needs to replace every single pixel for each frame of video, which is a lot more work than simply displaying the video.
the reason it's slow is your computer. your computer is fast, but it's not fast enough to do the hard work that Cinegobs is doing at a faster speed. but it's normal, because all rotoscoping and color keying tools are slow due to the amount of work they put on the computer.
7:33 pm
April 3, 2011
OfflineThanks for your reply – I fully understand there is a lot of work being done
I've found that if I limit the resolution to say 720x576 things become more tolerable
I personally don't really need the rotoscoping option- in fact, a version just with the "colour difference" tab would be fine for me
The main problem I'm having now is how do I render the output without saving massive files
especially If I save RGB+Alpha ,single AVI file- a 4 minute file exceeds 4gb and gets all muddled up
- even at the lower resolution a 16 second file saving with the "preview" output setting is about 500mb
- yet I can convert /re-save this to about 20mb with no obvious lack of quality
I get compression options with the render dialogue but none of these seem to work – I get baffled by the codecs thing – I don't know how to check which codecs are installed with windows – although some programs seem to work fine
If anybody could explain to me how to just have a few useful codecs installed and available I'd be very grateful
You can tell I'm not very good with the technicalities of video – but I'm really struggling here – I'm getting excellent keying results – but finding it hard to save the output in a useful format
There also seems to be a bug when re-saving to an existing filename – the existing size is retained instead of being overwritten
many thanks for any help received
Mick
8:57 pm
April 3, 2011
OfflineOK I tried the Divx codec for RGB+Alpha – it saved a slightly larger file (still quite small) but doesn't seem any different
probably need to alter some settings
I've also looked at the Xvid and ffd codecs – they have loads of settings but nothing I really understand
Can anybody tell me if these codecs support the RGB+Alpha setting – if so – how do I set them??
regards
Mick
2:15 am
April 12, 2010
Offlinemickwest1 said:
I've also looked at the Xvid and ffd codecs – they have loads of settings but nothing I really understand
Can anybody tell me if these codecs support the RGB+Alpha setting – if so – how do I set them??
I'm not sure what you mean by ffd codecs(ffdshow? it's a collection of codecs), but I don't think Xvid (or DivX and other Mpeg4 codecs) are able to save alpha channel. You should also avoid codecs with destructive compression when keying. The compression artifacts tend to mess up the edges.
You only have few choices of non-destructive codecs able to save alpha channel:
Uncompressed AVI (huge files)
HuffYUV & Lagarith (compressed but still quite large files)
Alternatively you can use f.inst PNG images sequences, which use a non-destructive compression.
Regards
Bo
12:39 pm
April 3, 2011
OfflineThanks Bo
I've tried HuffYuv and it didn't seem to work – and Lagarith looks too complicated
I haven't got the time or inclination to go into intense studies of technicalities – i'm just trying to make some videos of my music
anyway i've given up on rendering with alpha channel and decided to render using the "preview" setting
which at least gives me a consistent background colour for chromakeying in my editor
however I've now got another problem – but I've started this in a new topic "aspect ratio problems"
regards
Mick
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