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rendering and preview time
April 3, 2011
10:56 pm
mickwest1
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I'm getting great keying results from Cinegob

 

but the preview speed is quite slow – especially with HD files which are slower than realtime

 

also rendering is excrutiatingly slow (hours for a 7 minute file)

 

I've installed Avisynth and I'm using dul core 2.66ghz processor –

 

should it be this slow?

 

 

Mick West

 

by the way this forum software is also horribly slow

 

 

 

April 4, 2011
12:26 am
pikmeir
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the preview time is slow because Cinegobs utilizes rotoscoping and therefore needs to display the image at full resolution (which is better because it's easier to rotoscope). also it's slow because your computer needs to replace every single pixel for each frame of video, which is a lot more work than simply displaying the video.

the reason it's slow is your computer. your computer is fast, but it's not fast enough to do the hard work that Cinegobs is doing at a faster speed. but it's normal, because all rotoscoping and color keying tools are slow due to the amount of work they put on the computer.

April 4, 2011
7:33 pm
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Thanks for your reply – I fully understand there is a lot of work being done

 

I've found that if I limit the resolution to say 720x576  things become more tolerable

 

I personally don't really need the rotoscoping option- in fact, a version just  with the "colour difference" tab would be fine for me

 

The main problem I'm having now is how do I render the output without saving massive files

 

especially If I save RGB+Alpha ,single AVI file- a 4 minute file exceeds 4gb and gets all muddled up

 

- even at the lower resolution a 16 second file saving with the "preview" output setting is about 500mb

- yet I can convert /re-save this to about 20mb with no obvious lack of quality

 

I get compression options with the render dialogue but none of these seem to work – I get baffled by the codecs thing – I don't know how to check which codecs are installed with windows – although some programs seem to work fine

 

If anybody could explain to me how to just have a few useful codecs installed and available I'd be very grateful

 

You can tell I'm not very good with the technicalities of video – but I'm really struggling here – I'm getting excellent keying results – but finding it hard to save the output in a useful format

 

There also seems to be a bug when re-saving to an existing filename – the existing size is retained instead of being overwritten

 

many thanks for any help received

 

Mick

 

April 4, 2011
8:31 pm
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Having said all that I've just found that the DivX option saves a much smaller file in preview mode -  now I'm trying it for RGB+Alpha

 

 

Mick

April 4, 2011
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OK I tried the Divx codec for RGB+Alpha – it saved a slightly larger file (still quite small) but doesn't seem any different

 

probably need to alter some settings

 

I've also looked at the Xvid and ffd codecs – they have loads of settings but nothing I really understand

 

Can anybody tell me if these codecs support the RGB+Alpha setting – if so – how do I set them??

 

regards

Mick

April 5, 2011
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mickwest1 said:

I've also looked at the Xvid and ffd codecs – they have loads of settings but nothing I really understand

Can anybody tell me if these codecs support the RGB+Alpha setting – if so – how do I set them??

I'm not sure what you mean by ffd codecs(ffdshow? it's a collection of codecs), but I don't think Xvid (or DivX and other Mpeg4 codecs) are able to save alpha channel. You should also avoid codecs with destructive compression when keying. The compression artifacts tend to mess up the edges.

 

You only have few choices of non-destructive codecs able to save alpha channel:

Uncompressed AVI (huge files)

HuffYUV & Lagarith (compressed but still quite large files)

 

Alternatively you can use f.inst PNG images sequences, which use a non-destructive compression.

 

Regards

Bo

 

April 8, 2011
12:39 pm
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Thanks Bo

 

I've tried HuffYuv and it didn't seem to work – and Lagarith looks too complicated

I haven't got the time or inclination to go into intense studies of technicalities  – i'm just trying to make some videos of my music

 

anyway i've given up on rendering with alpha channel and decided to render using the "preview" setting

which at least gives me a consistent background colour for chromakeying in my editor

 

however I've now got another problem – but I've started this in a new topic "aspect ratio problems"

 

regards

Mick

 

 

 

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